SMACK/ URL PRESENTS RealDeal VS B-Magic

[MultiVerse]

Rosenberg Raw and QP sucks, they're overhyped bums, JC and Chilla Jones should get more attention than them.

[MultiVerse]

And yeah J-Pro and Daylyt needs to be on Smack.

[lakim shabazz]

rosenberg raw is raw imo i would love to see url and kotd put on a event together poison pen can bring smack and ganik together even though they've met and poli'd im sure of it.

[The Mast]

Two words: Bill Collector. The URL proving grounds have been doing a lot as far as creating new talent for the roster in the same way KOTD builds names through the GP. John John Da Don, Qleen P, B Magic, Rosenberg Raw, Bigg K, and of course the aforementioned Bill Collector are up=and-coming names that promise some interesting matchups in the future.

Bill Collector is the black Uno Lavoz. I never saw the appeal. John John ate up.

[Ruthless]

I'm really feeling Chilla jones and JC (proving grounds battlejuss dropped on URL ) crazy talented individuals ... Real deal killed it too but classsico material? Not this match up IMO. Hope to see more real on URL tho that's for sure. Deff a.g.l

[illipsis]

Bill Collector beat John John 2-1 lol. And that's coming from a big fan of JJ. URL have put out a lot of quality battles recently (or at the very least battles with one very solid performance). Bigg K and Swave's showings in their last battles were dope.

Point being, it's very easy to dismiss URL battles with the same old tired argument (omg the same guys spitting generic gun bars) when that's really not that applicable. From an unbiased perspective, URL is the dominant league in battling right now even though I personally enjoy KOTD more on average.

[LarryLegend33]

Yo i just want to preference this by saying I've been a die hard fan of King of the Dot since the beginning. I've always been a huge supporter and I've ordered both PPV events that KOTD has put out recently. But real talk Ryan Spulecki is a whack dude. You literally said in one of your posts before Vendetta that Arsonal vs Illmac & Syd vs Bender was worth 30 dollars alone? Are you high? Like do you really think anyone woulda dropped 30 bills JUST for those 2 battles without Diz on the card? The stream ended up sucking and was delayed, Jonny Storm vs Caddy Ron didn't even go down, and one the battles that was supposedly "worth 30 dollars alone" Syd choked like 47 times. But you know what, its all good cuz at the end of the day the true fans will still support the movement. KOTD has been putting out quality shit for years so even if it wasn't perfect I aint upset and will continue to show my support. Just don't tell battle rap fans what there supposed to do or what there supposed to like. This is a forum for fans to voice there opinions, not for you to force ya beliefs down peoples throats and get sensitive every time someone says something you don't like. Step ya life game up homie.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

It's 2012 and that's the third white guy to ever battle there, despite the fact that there are many, MANY amazing battlers who aren't black.

Nothing is preventing non-black battle rappers from going there other than themselves, but the URL crowd is one of the most difficult to win over, so not everyone actually tries it out, though of course everyone and their mom wants to battle someone who is from URL. I've been watching rap battles since the late '90s when I was in my teens, and what was unique about leagues like GT and KOTD was that the crowds were far more forgiving to rappers not bringing their A-game.

What happens on Smack/URL when you forget your lyrics or stumble a word? You will get booed, and you probably won't get a chance to finish unless you find a way to quiet them down or if they just really like you, like Calicoe (who stumbled in a round against both Shotgun Suge and K-Shine). What happens on Smack/URL if your rhymes get boring? The crowd will lose interest and start talking amongst themselves, over the person onstage. The same thing happened with a lot of other past leagues like Fight Klub (where even Serius Jones got booed against Professor Green when his last round got boring) and even overseas leagues like Jumpoff (where Professor Green got shut down by the crowd when he stumbled a line against Jin), so it's not just an NYC thing. If that happens on GT or KOTD, of course the crowd will be disappointed, but unless you do something really cheesy (like Canibus pulling out a notebook), but you can at least keep going and finish your round.

It's because it's an alleged "street" league. I don't rate ANY U.R.L. guys, really. Struturally and contentwise, none of them besides a few do ANYTHING for me. Daylyt is better than most of them and he's not a U.R.L. guy.

I'm a fan of all leagues, but the problem with that perspective is that most critics of URL are focusing on the fact that they are talking about guns and automatically dismissing it as lacking creativity. Gun bars can get old (mostly because 90% of the rappers talking about them aren't half as G as they try to sound), but they do use more creativity than people give them credit for. My girlfriend likes GT/KOTD over URL because she thinks they're more creative while URL is old and only talks about guns, but it's not like GT/KOTD never gets repetitive either with subject matter. Fresco will always get gay jokes thrown at him. Soul Khan will always get Jewish jokes thrown at him. PH will always get old jokes thrown at him. Thesaurus will always get face jokes thrown at him. But people let it slide because people will find new angles to make those same jokes, but the same thing can apply to gun bars used in URL. So it's unreasonable to be hypocritical and talk about how all URL rappers use gun bars while applauding some new idiom about somebody's obvious physical imperfection.

When Calicoe is on fire (Vs Math, which I think Math won and too many are swayed by the crowd), he is a murderer. Math is another great. Verb's best battle was against Hitman Holla, and I still think Real Deal's performance in THIS would've beat Verb on any day.

Math lost every single round against Calicoe. That wasn't even a close battle. I didn't sleep on any of Math's lines either, but a lot of his bars were boring as hell, but the only solid one was the "Call me Polo 'cause I'll put the riders on your shirt," while everything else either didn't make much sense ("I'll knock the 'U' out of 'you' like I turned to 'yo'") or was just completely weak ("I'll split your 'dome' for trying to 'do me'"), and his delivery was a B- at best that night. He's usually dope, as I definitely think he beat T-Rex, but he has his shortcomings too, like having re-used lines (like the "They found out that the chain was fake, so they fucked you up some more" line that he used against both Dose and T-Rex) and having stumbled in lines here and there (first round against Iron Solomon, second round against T-Rex) to completely blanking against Calicoe in the third round.

I agree that Real Deal would beat Aye Verb, but Verb has fallen off. I personally think his best battles were against Hollow and also against Math, but other than that, his lines just don't hit like they used to. The URL crowd (particularly in NYC) is already getting tired of him. I do think that they did him wrong at Summer Madness last year when he battled Charlie Clips, but the outcome would've been the same anywhere... he got beat, no question. But he tries to make big references to get crowd reaction that end up being wrong, like against Clips when he was talking about "Charlie" in reference to A Christmas Story (but the kid's name in the movie wasn't Charlie, it was Ralphie) or when he battled O-Red and had some Star Wars reference but was holding up the Star Trek hand sign. He already lost to X-Factor (supposedly 3-0), and T-Rex will body him, if he spits like he has in either of his last two battles, particularly his first round against Arsonal.

O-Red is very good and so is Tay Rock (Who should've got Osa at W.D. 3), but besides that, U.R.L. is just a huge league that does huge numbers. The QUALITY of the bars has NEVER touched any other league on average, to me.

A league like URL places a lot of emphasis on the overall performance and delivery, since the crowd reacts to that. But I am more entertained by URL battles than a lot of battles from other leagues, which can be more hit-or-miss, again since the crowd is more forgiving in those leagues. At URL, sometimes you have to be just as mindful of the crowd as much as your own opponent.

[MultiVerse]

^That. You should do predictions, articles about battle rap homie. You know and respect this shit.

[illipsis]

Nothing is preventing non-black battle rappers from going there other than themselves, but the URL crowd is one of the most difficult to win over, so not everyone actually tries it out, though of course everyone and their mom wants to battle someone who is from URL. I've been watching rap battles since the late '90s when I was in my teens, and what was unique about leagues like GT and KOTD was that the crowds were far more forgiving to rappers not bringing their A-game.

What happens on Smack/URL when you forget your lyrics or stumble a word? You will get booed, and you probably won't get a chance to finish unless you find a way to quiet them down or if they just really like you, like Calicoe (who stumbled in a round against both Shotgun Suge and K-Shine). What happens on Smack/URL if your rhymes get boring? The crowd will lose interest and start talking amongst themselves, over the person onstage. The same thing happened with a lot of other past leagues like Fight Klub (where even Serius Jones got booed against Professor Green when his last round got boring) and even overseas leagues like Jumpoff (where Professor Green got shut down by the crowd when he stumbled a line against Jin), so it's not just an NYC thing. If that happens on GT or KOTD, of course the crowd will be disappointed, but unless you do something really cheesy (like Canibus pulling out a notebook), but you can at least keep going and finish your round.




I'm a fan of all leagues, but the problem with that perspective is that most critics of URL are focusing on the fact that they are talking about guns and automatically dismissing it as lacking creativity. Gun bars can get old (mostly because 90% of the rappers talking about them aren't half as G as they try to sound), but they do use more creativity than people give them credit for. My girlfriend likes GT/KOTD over URL because she thinks they're more creative while URL is old and only talks about guns, but it's not like GT/KOTD never gets repetitive either with subject matter. Fresco will always get gay jokes thrown at him. Soul Khan will always get Jewish jokes thrown at him. PH will always get old jokes thrown at him. Thesaurus will always get face jokes thrown at him. But people let it slide because people will find new angles to make those same jokes, but the same thing can apply to gun bars used in URL. So it's unreasonable to be hypocritical and talk about how all URL rappers use gun bars while applauding some new idiom about somebody's obvious physical imperfection.


Math lost every single round against Calicoe. That wasn't even a close battle. I didn't sleep on any of Math's lines either, but a lot of his bars were boring as hell, but the only solid one was the "Call me Polo 'cause I'll put the riders on your shirt," while everything else either didn't make much sense ("I'll knock the 'U' out of 'you' like I turned to 'yo'") or was just completely weak ("I'll split your 'dome' for trying to 'do me'"), and his delivery was a B- at best that night. He's usually dope, as I definitely think he beat T-Rex, but he has his shortcomings too, like having re-used lines (like the "They found out that the chain was fake, so they fucked you up some more" line that he used against both Dose and T-Rex) and having stumbled in lines here and there (first round against Iron Solomon, second round against T-Rex) to completely blanking against Calicoe in the third round.

I agree that Real Deal would beat Aye Verb, but Verb has fallen off. I personally think his best battles were against Hollow and also against Math, but other than that, his lines just don't hit like they used to. The URL crowd (particularly in NYC) is already getting tired of him. I do think that they did him wrong at Summer Madness last year when he battled Charlie Clips, but the outcome would've been the same anywhere... he got beat, no question. But he tries to make big references to get crowd reaction that end up being wrong, like against Clips when he was talking about "Charlie" in reference to A Christmas Story (but the kid's name in the movie wasn't Charlie, it was Ralphie) or when he battled O-Red and had some Star Wars reference but was holding up the Star Trek hand sign. He already lost to X-Factor (supposedly 3-0), and T-Rex will body him, if he spits like he has in either of his last two battles, particularly his first round against Arsonal.


A league like URL places a lot of emphasis on the overall performance and delivery, since the crowd reacts to that. But I am more entertained by URL battles than a lot of battles from other leagues, which can be more hit-or-miss, again since the crowd is more forgiving in those leagues. At URL, sometimes you have to be just as mindful of the crowd as much as your own opponent.

Great post imo. I'd disagree with the assertion of Verb's diminishing quality simply because of his performance against Hitman ("that's how you talk to your son" is one of the best schemes of the year). He dropped the ball vs. X, but if both come at their peak, Rex/Verb will be nothing short of a classic.